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Thursday, November 30, 2006

breakdown for jetstar n tiger airways

Jetstar (Per Passenger)
- Round trip S$239 (incl fuel taxes, etc) + THB700 BKK Airport Tax (pay at BKK)
- 20kg check in baggage
- S$8 per kg excess baggage

Tiger
- Round Trip S$134.76 (incl fuel taxes, etc) + [THB700 BKK Airport Tax not stated (pay at BKK)]
- 15kg check in baggage
- S$25 more to upsize baggage limit to 20kg
- THB200 per kg excess baggage

so how???

we wait for better deal cos my friends got a deal pay only S$97 for round trip on Jetstar.

Posted by,
Same Old Central Banker

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Tiger Airway is the Way to Go

My fellow members,
So what's your decision??

I concur with the Central Bank that we should take up this offer now!! While we still can.

I am awaiting replies from the following members:
CEO
Purchaser
Porter

Central Bank, can help to chase the 3 people? I can't see them on MSN tonight or the following night as I'll be working.

Thanks much.

Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Tiger Airways Baggage Info

Cabin Baggage

Only one small item of hand baggage per person, weighing no more than 7kg and with dimensions of less than 54cm x 38cm x 23cm, may be carried into the aircraft cabin. Any cabin baggage over 7kgs will have to be carried in the hold of the aircraft and forms part of the total checked baggage allowance.

Passengers are also permitted to carry one laptop free of charge but will only be accepted on a 'limited release' (i.e. entirely 'at your own risk' for damage or delay) basis. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force for such items.

See paragraph headed 'Prohibited Items' for items not permitted in the cabin of the aircraft.


Checked Baggage

Baggage can only be checked in for a flight up to 2 hours prior to scheduled departure.
All checked baggage should be properly and securely packed in suitcases or appropriate containers to ensure safe carriage.

Passengers are advised not to check-in items, which are fragile, of importance or high value such as jewellery, medicines or other valuables.

All passengers and their baggage will be subjected to security screening throughout their journey.

The free checked baggage allowance is one item of baggage up to a maximum of 15kg per person. Passengers may not use the unused allowances of others. Only passengers travelling within the same reservation may pool their baggage allowance.

Passengers are offered the option to upsize their checked baggage allowance from 15kg to 20kg at the time of making their reservation upon payment of a fee of S$25 per passenger per return journey. This excludes sporting equipment and other odd-sized baggage.

Passengers who do not select the checked in luggage upsize option up to 72 hours prior to departure will not be entitled to the benefit at the check-in counter.

Those passengers who pay the Upsize Luggage fee up to 72 hours before departure are not entitled to a refund of the fee in the event that they do not travel or do not carry 20kg of checked-in luggage.

Any excess over 15kg for non-upsize passengers and 20kg for upsize passengers will be charged per kilo at the prevailing rates of the departure airport. (Singapore – SGD7.50 per kg, Thailand – THB200 per kg, Macau – HKD38 per kg, Darwin – AUD7.00 per kg, all other points – USD5.00 per kg) For safety reasons Tiger Airways will not accept any individual item exceeding 32 kilos.

Infants are not entitled to any free baggage allowance.

You must identify your checked baggage, on the inside and outside of your baggage, with your name and address and contact telephone numbers and/or your flight confirmation number.
Failure to comply with this simple requirement may result in a significant delay in the tracing of your checked baggage should it become misplaced.

If an item of your checked baggage is reported lost and cannot be found within 21 days, it shall be presumed to be lost. In such a case, you must make an application to us requiring compensation within the limits set out in the Montreal Convention within a further twenty-one (21) days, failing which Tiger Airways shall not be liable to you.

Tiger Airways does not accept responsibility for unsuitably packed, perishable, damaged or fragile baggage or for minor damage to the exterior of baggage (e.g. scratches, stains, soiling, dents) resulting from normal wear and tear or for water damage to non water-resistant baggage or any damage to external fixtures such as handles, wheels, zippers or locks.

Items of Sporting equipment including but not limited to large fishing rods, golf clubs, bicycles, scooters, surfboards, body-boards, snowboards and skis can be carried in the hold of the aircraft subject to space being available. Upon payment of an additional charge of S$25 (or local currency equivalent) per item, per sector (flight) irrespective of weight, Tiger Airways is prepared to carry such items on a ‘limited release’ (i.e. entirely ‘at your own risk’ for damage or delay) basis. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force for such items. If the fee is not paid on your outbound journey it will still be imposed on your return journey.

Infant equipment, including but not limited to prams, buggies, cots and car seats can be carried in the hold of the aircraft. Tiger Airways is prepared to carry such items on a ‘Limited Release’ (i.e. entirely ‘at your own risk’ for damage or delay) basis for a fee of S$25 per item. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force for such items.

Large musical instruments such as harps or double bass cannot be carried in the cabin of an aircraft. Other musical items such as a guitar, cello, violin or viola which exceed our cabin baggage dimensions may be carried in the cabin if a seat for it has been reserved and the appropriate fare paid. Should you wish to check-in a musical instrument, such items will only be accepted on a ‘limited release’ (i.e. entirely ‘at your own risk’ for damage or delay) basis. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force for such items.

See paragraph headed “Prohibited Items” for items not permitted in the hold of the aircraft.

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So Tiger Airways is STILL the cheapest...

Apart from the fact that its located at the budget terminal...

Posted by,
Same Old Central Banker

Jetstar Airways Details

Flight Summary

DEPARTURE
SGD $58.00 per Passenger

Thu, 05 Jul 07
Dep 07:15 Arr 08:35 3K 511
JetSaver


RETURN
SGD $58.00 per Passenger
Mon, 09 Jul 07
Dep 19:40 Arr 23:10 3K 514
JetSaver


SGD $116.00 TOTAL
(per Passenger)

* Note: There will be a airport tax of THB 700 per passenger.

Posted by,
Same Old Central Banker

Tiger Airways Details

Below is a summary of the flight(s) you selected, along with associated rules and costs. Please review everything carefully. If the flight, fare rules, and pricing information look okay to you, click one of the buttons at the bottom of the page to continue.
Lowest Fare

Internet Discounted Fare 5.88 SGD

Thu, 05 Jul 07 Flight TR 104

09:10 Depart Singapore (SIN)
10:30 Arrive Bangkok Intl (BKK)


Lowest Fare

Internet Discounted Fare 5.88 SGD

Mon, 09 Jul 07 Flight TR 109

20:10 Depart Bangkok Intl (BKK)
23:30 Arrive Singapore (SIN)


Departure (Lowest Fare)
5 Adults at 5.88 SGD
29.40 SGD

Taxes and Fees (details)
281.25 SGD

- Please note that Tiger Airways fares and charges are strictly non-refundable
- Flight dates, times, routes may be changed 4 hours prior to scheduled departure subject to amendment fees and applicable fare difference being paid
- Name changes are not permitted
- If a reservation is not changed 4 hours prior to scheduled departure, all money associated with the fare is forfeited
- Fares quoted are per person, per one way journey, subject to availability and exclude airport taxes and charges. All fares are subject to change until purchased
- No child discounts
- All passengers who have purchased a Flight Combo will be required to clear customs and immigration in Singapore and then check-in for their onward flight. Please note at least two hours is required to complete this process.
- All travel is subject to the conditions of carriage of Tiger Airways


Return (Lowest Fare)
5 Adults at 5.88 SGD
29.40 SGD

Taxes and Fees (details)
333.75 SGD

Total Cost of Flight
673.80 SGD


Posted by,
Same Old Central Banker

Excess Baggage

My fellow committee members,
I've called Thai Airways and Jetstar. I could not get through to Tiger Airways. Hence I found out the following:

- Thai Airways
- Excess baggage from Bangkok to Singapore is about S$8 per kg.
- 1 passenger is allowed 20kg per person

- Jetstar
- Excess baggage from Bangkok to Singapore is about S$8 per kg.
- 1 passenger is allowed 20kg per person

BUT
I read on the Tiger Airways website that each passenger is only 15kg. It is not stated how much per kg of excess baggage one has to pay.

Upsize Your Check-In Luggage

Now, you can upsize your luggage when you book online and save up to 60% on excess luggage charges!

Get an extra 5kg of checked-in luggage by upsizing your 15kg allowance to 20kg, and pay only S$25 (or currency equivalent as indicated in the booking process). How? Select the Upsize Luggage option at the time of booking, upon payment of prevailing charges, by simply checking the "YES" box under each passenger who wants to upsize. The amount displayed will be added to your total flight purchase price.

The Luggage Upsize option is available for both online and call centre bookings. For additional value to our customers, the Luggage Upsize option is also available even after you have confirmed your flights. Simply contact Tiger Airways' call centres at least 72 hours prior the scheduled flight departure to upsize your luggage.

Please note that the Luggage Upsize option is not offered at airport check-in where standard excess baggage charges apply. The Luggage Upsize fee is non-refundable, even if your checked-in luggage weight varies on each leg of your travel. Additional excess baggage above 20kg is subject to prevailing excess baggage charges, as stated in our Conditions of Carriage. Luggage Upsize is only applicable for excess baggage and not valid for carriage of sporting goods.

Luggage Upsize fees are charged Per Journey, meaning that for a one-way or return journey, the fee will only be charged once per person. Look for the journey icon on services that are charged this way.


But even if we work it all out it is still cheaper to go by Tiger Airways.

Ticket Price
I found the following on the various website:
- Thai Airways
- to & fro Singapore - Bangkok: S$1101 + S$132 (tax)
- Jetstar
- to & fro Singapore - Bangkok: S$70 (to) + S$70 (from)
- Tiger Airway
- to & fro Singapore - Bangkok: S$5.88 + S$5.88

The tax is about S$132 (see the Thai Airway section).

Still cheaper to go by Tiger. This is because we still have the Porter's baggage weight to count on. The probability of his bag going overweight is quite slim. So the gals can 'use' his baggage weight too.

The dates I'm thinking of going is 5 July 07 (Thurs, leave Singapore at 9.10am) - 9 July 07 (Monday, leave Bangkok at 8 plus pm). The reason is that coming back on a Monday as compared to a Sunday is MUCH cheaper. Coming back on a Sunday would cost almost $60 or so.

Guys, please let me know what you all think, 'cos this Tiger Airway special promotion ends on 3 Dec, which is this Sunday.

Signing out,
The Chairman

Tiger Airways Promotion

Dearest Members,
I've found out a special offer from Tiger Airways from the newspaper today, Tuesday, 28 Nov, 2006.

If we book and pay the for the tickets between 27 Nov - 3 Dec, and we fly between 25 March - 27 Oct, the cost for going to Bangkok is only $5.88. The return to Singapore, if we fly on return on either a Saturday or Monday, it'll cost about $8.88. If we return on a Sunday it'll be more expensive about $60.

All prices do not include taxes and fuel surcharge and all that stuff.

Due to the fact that there are other fellow humans who also want to take advantage of this good deal, please reply to this blog as soon as possible.

Extra Info:
- Tiger Airway is the one located at the budget terminal. We have to consider if we want our porter to work even before the trip takes place.

More details on excess baggage costs to come.

CBST Meeting on 26 Nov at Equinox

We had a meeting on Sunday, 26 Nov, 2006 at the Equinox.

From the fruitful meeting we decided the following:
Jiahui - CEO
Jieling - Chairman
Xiao En - Purchaser
Kit - Central Bank
Zheseng - Porter

We would like to congratulate Jieling, Xiao En and Zheseng on their new responsibilities.

News and Happenings
1) The Chairman found out the following from Zheseng, our porter:
  • Zheseng is born in the year of 1981.
  • He is the eldest of his siblings. He has 1 sister.
  • He won a scholarship from a prestigious government agency and hence went to New York to study.
  • There he met out CEO. Blessed fellow.
  • He is now back in our beloved country to fulfill his 6-year bond to the government. Add oil.
2) In addition to talking about phones, deliciously gossips, Jerry Yen & Rain, we decided on the following about our CBST trip:
  • We will go to Bangkok next year in July.
  • We discussed on the places we are interested in going:
- Khao San & Suan Lum: 1 day
- Siam Square: 1 day
- MBK: 1 day
- Pratunam: 1 day
- Chatuchak: 1 day
- Big C / Boots:
- Siam Paragon & Siam Centre: 1 day

3) The following are the actions that we, the CBST members, have to take:
CEO - Lobo
Chairman - Find out the cost of excess baggage on Tiger Airway
- Compare prices between various airlines
- Find out if Chatuchak is still around
Purchaser - Conserve energy
- Practice hair-flipping techniques with new super short hair
Central Bank - Help the Chairman find out info if she has the time
Porter - Lobo

If all is clear on his and her responsibilities, then let the planning begin!

CBST News: Thugs demolish Chatuchak stalls

SUNDAY MARKET

Thugs demolish Chatuchak stalls

Police forced to intervene as leaseholder tries to evict unwanted tenants

More than 100 armed men stormed into the Sunday Market at Chatuchak early yesterday to destroy stalls as the owners pelted them with debris in a futile effort to stop them.
In scenes reminiscent of the destruction of Sukhumvit Square ordered by Chat Thai deputy leader Chuwit Kamolvisit several years ago, thugs tore through the area using strong-arm tactics to keep the stall owners at bay.

The Sunday Market has been leased by Thanasarnsombat Pattana Company from the State Railway of Thailand (SRT). It is located next to the famous Chatuchak Weekend Market.

Vendors who have operated at the market for about 10 years insisted they were protected by a court order until negotiations, scheduled for February 7, were conducted.

When police officers arrived at the market at around 5am, stalls were being torn apart despite protests from the vendors, some of whom hurled bottles and stones.

A vendor was reportedly hospitalised after a demolition worker punched him with a brass knuckle-duster. Some of the men carried axes, clubs and crowbars.

The police urged both sides to negotiate.

A woman, calling herself Apinya, said she was a legal adviser for Thanasarnsombat Pattana.
She said an April court order meant all tenants with contracts with the bankrupt Sunday Holdings Company should have left the area by November 2.

"We displayed copies of the court order and SRT statement that declares our company's rights here," Apinya said.

Sunday Holdings used to lease the area from SRT until it went bankrupt in 1998. SRT later took charge of the area and sold the lease to Thanasarnsombat Pattana.

However, trader Thanaporn Sapien said she and other vendors had run their stalls there more than 10 years. After Sunday Holdings went bankrupt, they continued to pay their Bt300 a day rent to SRT until a few months ago when electricity and water were cut off.

"We jointly lodged a complaint with the Civil Court on October 27, which issued an injunction barring any forced removal and the cutting off of the electricity and water," she said.

Police Division 2 deputy Maj-General Amnuay Nimmano yesterday asked Thanasarnsombat Pattana to refrain from further action until the parties had met.

Amnuay said representatives from the Legal Execution Department and SRT would settle the dispute.

SRT acting governor Thawil Samnakhon yesterday said Thana-sarnsombat Pattana bought the 12-year lease in March. Under the contract, the company must construct a building for tenants to trade in within two years or face a fine.

"Now, eight months have passed since the contract was granted," Thawil said, adding that SRT and Thanasarnsombat Pattana had tried to find alternative sites for the vendors but received no cooperation.

Veera Udom, chair of the Sunday Market Cooperative, vowed to submit a petition to Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda at his house today.

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So this is what happened....
Drama mamas, man these people....
Anyway, by the looks of this, I think our Chatuchak Weekend Market is still standing...


Cheerio,
Same Old Brand New da kamsa hamida

CBST Bulletin: Bangkok Hotels

There's a huge range of accommodation in Bangkok, and fortunately there's never any real problem getting a room at any time of year, whatever your budget. By international standards, room rates are generally very good value - ranging from the 50B (a little over 1US$) guesthouse dorm bed right up to The Oriental hotel, consistently voted as one of the best in the world. This is in part due to devaluation of the Baht in 1997 and it's continued weakness since, from which prices have never really recovered to their level beforehand.

For the majority of visitors to Bangkok, your budget will probably dictate the area where you stay. Banglamphu (Khao San Road) has many cheap rooms in the 100-300B range. For this you will generally get a basic small room with a fan with a shared bathroom. This is a very popular backpackers area, and the abundance of competition keeps prices fairly low. A slight step up for budget accommodation can be found in the Siam Square area. Sukhumvit road is another of Bangkok's big tourist districts, and has a very large range of hotels with rooms generally ranging from 700B up to about 2000B. Top end hotels are found all over the city, the very best (Oriental, Peninsula, Shangri-La, Royal Orchid Sheraton) tend to be located by the river, and around the Siam Square area.

Other than price, it's important to consider what you want to do while in Bangkok when chosing a location for a hotel. Bangkok's international reputation for pollution and congestion is not undeserved, and it's worth staying in the area where you want to spend most tim, as getting from one side of the city to the other can, to say the least, be a bit of a challenge. The relatively new skytrain connects the Silom, Siam Square and Sukhumvit road areas, and makes getting around here fairly painless - these are all good areas for shopping and nightlife, but with limited sightseeing opportunities. Many of the main tourist attractions (Grand Palace, Wat Pho, Wat Arun) aren't on the skytrain line but in the Ko Rattanakosin district - depending on the traffic, it can take over a hour to reach here from Sukhumvit or Silom.

In Thai hotel terminology, a single room is one with one double bed, a double room has two. Therefore, it's perfectly normal for a couple to check into a single room. Prices are generally the same whichever you ask for, or only very slightly more expensive for a double. An additional charge that may apply is the 'joiner fee' that is levied by some hotels to try and prevent any 'guests' joining you in your room overnight. Another price that has to be paid is the 7% tax in that all accommodation in Thailand is subject to. The cheaper guesthouses will incorporate this into the price (or just not pay it at all), but for most of the 3* or better hotels this will be added to your bill on top of the rate you're quoted. On top of this, an 8% - 10% service charge is often levied also (If you see prices quoted elsewhere as 2000B++, that is what the ++ means). This is well worth bearing in mind when considering hotels, as obviously it can make a substantial difference to the total cost. It's also an important thing to ask any travel agent booking rooms for you, as some don't mention to try and make their prices sound lower while others quote all-inclusive prices.

The excess of accommodation in Bangkok means that, generally, the supply of accommodation outstrips the demand for it. Though there is an exception to this during the tourism high season (roughly Nov - Feb, and August), for much of the year discounted rates are often readily available. During the high season, hotels raise their prices and advance booking for popular places is recommended (at other times, it's not really necessary). Since reservation clerks may have problems with English, it's much better to make a reservation via email, fax, travel agents or on the hotel's website if possible rather than by telephone.

Though it might sound illogical, you very often get rooms with any 3* or better hotel much cheaper if you book through a travel agent than booking directly with the hotel. There are now a multitude of internet travel agents booking hotels in Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand, and the rates they can get are generally very good. Travel agents in Bangkok offer rates that are comparable, but not really any better, than ones you can get from the internet.

An increasing number of hotels now accept reservations direct via their own website, and a few only accept reservations directly. While rates obtained like this are still likely higher than a travel agent could get, negotiating via email with them is worthwhile. Often you can get extras included in the price - e.g. try and get free airport transfer / breakfast / late check-out / room upgrade included. If you flew to Thailand with THAI, they often have pre-negotiated good deals on hotels on your behalf - ask your travel agent at the time of booking. For example, the Amari Airport hotel cuts it's rates in half for holders of a THAI ticket. For budget accommodation, booking in advance is frequently virtually impossible as many refuse to take reservations. It's not much of a problem though, as budget places are generally clustered together - so if one is full, just try next door. You'll always find somewhere. For the cheap guesthouses, (mostly) standard prices apply and chances of a discount are generally slim, unless they have a particularly low occupancy rate.

If you do end up as a walk in at a 3* or better hotel, as a general rule it's never necessary to pay the first price asked. This doesn't necessarily mean that haggling with the receptionist is the way to go, but simply asking for a discount (or if they have any 'special prices' at the moment) will very often yield results, and reduced rates are almost always available for stays of 3 or more days. It might sound somewhat strange, but the richer and more powerful you appear, the better your chances of getting a big discount are. Dressing smartly and showing your business card will invariably lead to being offered a 'corporate' discount should you ask. Chances are best if you can speak in Thai, though unless you are reasonably competent in it the receptionist's English is likely to be superior to your Thai.


Posted by,
Same Old Sleepyhead

CBST Bulletin: Taxis

Perhaps the easiest and most comfortable way to get around, if not always the quickest, is by the aircon taxi. These come in quite a few different colours though the green-yellow and red-blue ones are the most common. Bangkok has thousands of taxis, and finding one at any time is never a problem. The occasional exception to this is during a monsoon season downpour. By international standards they're very cheap too, the flagfall rate is 35B (0.85 US$ approx) including the first 2km and it's 5B/km after that. This means that even relatively long journeys, such as from Sukhumvit to the Grand Palace often aren't above 100B (2.5 US$). A surcharge is applied in traffic jams (1.25B/m when moving under 6km/h), meaning at night when there's not much traffic they're definitely the best way of getting around.

There's no exams that have to be passed to become a taxi driver in Bangkok, and so many have a less than encyclopedic knowledge of the city. Communication can be a problem with the majority of Bangkok's taxi drivers too. It's worth bearing in mind that many taxi (and tuk tuk) drivers are from Thailand's poor Isaan (northeast) region, are likely to be fairly uneducated and many speak little English. Even the ones that can will probably not be able to read a map that's written only in English. Although there are a large number Thai words that have been taken straight from English, they often come out with a distinctly Thai pronunciation that can be markedly different from the original (see the 'Thai-English' page.

The two tone green and yellow taxis are generally reckoned to be the best ones. These are driven by the owner, while all others are rented out by the day. Of course, everything really depends on the driver rather than the color of the car, and there's not really any major difference between any of them. All licensed taxis have yellow and black number plates. Tipping of taxi drivers is not really a Thai practice, though rounding the fare up to the nearest 5B or 10B is fairly common. Any more is not expected and not really necessary. If you're unlucky, the driver will sometimes claim to have no change to try and force you to leave a 30% tip or thereabouts - getting out to change money at a nearby store will often lead to him remembering where his change is kept.

If you aren't near any taxis, you can phone 1661 and order one to pick you up. This costs the meter fee + 20B.


Posted by,
Same Old

CBST Bulletin: Skytrain

Bangkok's Skytrain (รถไฟฟ้า) started operating in December 1999 and, for the areas it goes to at least, is an extremely useful way of getting about. There's a central station located at Siam square, and two lines: the 17km Sukhumvit line, which stretches from Sukhumvit Soi 81, all the way up to Mo Chit. The 6.5km Silom line from the National Stadium down south to Saphan Taksin along Silom and Sathorn roads. While the Siam station is undoubtedly the hub of the skytrain, the stations at Asoke and Sala Daeng are also main stations due to being interchange stations with the subway.

After a somewhat slow start when passenger numbers were well below expectations and empty seats a common sight, the Skytrain today carries close to 400,00 passengers a day and it's usually standing room only. All signs and announcements are in English as well as Thai, so it's easy to use. There is no timetable, but the trains go very frequently, about every 5 minutes or so. It's open everyday from 6am to midnight.

Positives

Overall, the skytrain system is generally very popular with visitors staying near its stations. It makes travelling long distances substantially quicker than by road and is relatively inexpensive. Inside, it's clean and air-conditioned, and certainly compares very well to the mass transit systems elsewhere in the world. The skytrain has a good reputation for safety, having suffered nothing worse than the occasional power cut and stuck train in the 7 years it's been operating.

Many of the stations are gradually expanding and adding direct links to nearby hotels and shopping centers.

Negatives

The main disadvantage of the skytrain is the relatively limited areas it goes to at present - there's only two lines, and no station anywhere near the airport, railway station, the Grand Palace or Khao San road for instance. This is less of an issue now than it used to be though, as the newer subway system covers much of the central Bangkok area that the skytrain doesn't.

However, although the skytrain intersects with the subway at it's Asoke and Sala Daeng stations, there is no shared ticket system available. Long-planned extensions to the skytrain route sadly appear to be completely stalled for now as a result of political interests and an effort by the government to force the nationalisation of the skytrain. The large flights of stairs that have to be climbed at each skytrain station make it inaccessible to the less mobile also. The odd station, e.g. Siam, Sala Daeng have up-only escalators and/or lifts installed but for now this is still pretty much the exception rather than the rule. This makes wheelchair access to many of the stations just about imposssible, in contrast to the excellent facilities of the subway.

Costs

Skytrain fares cost between 10B and 40B per person depending on the distance, about one third the cost of a comparable taxi ride. For one person, this is good value but if you're in a group then a taxi may represent a better option. If you plan to frequently use the skytrain, then it's well worthwhile buying one of the top-up 'Skycards' sold at every station. Though no cheaper than regular tickets, they save the time and effort of having to queue for tickets and dig around for 5B and 10B coins (the only ones accepted) anytime you want to go anywhere.
Though these fares are cheap by western standards and for Bangkok's middle class, they are regarded as relatively expensive for the lowest income Thais when compared to a flat fare of 5B on Bangkok's ordinary buses. Though few Thais will know the English word 'skytrain', the system is widely known as 'BTS' (บีทีเอส) after the company that operates it.


Posted by,
Same Old

CBST Bulletin: Shopping for IT stuff

Panthip Plaza

Computers, TV's, cameras and similar items can be good value in Thailand, but you'll be hard pushed to find one with high quality components selling for significantly less than in the US / Europe. Overall, you're probably better off buying at home than in Thailand, as although you may spend slightly more, you are much more likely to get decent after sales or a refund in case of problems in Europe/US than in Thailand. On the other hand, if you're looking to buy computer peripherals then you can get some good deals in Bangkok, and repairs can be done similarly cheaply.

The best place to go for any type of computer shopping is the multistory Panthip Plaza on Phetburi / Petchburi Rd in Pratunam district (not far from the Amari Watergate hotel). Prices are very cheap and the range extensive, but not all the vendors speak a lot of English.
Though there are a wide range of computer related products on sale, Panthip is most (in)famous for the huge amount of pirated software available. There are literally dozens of different vendors selling hacked versions of software programs, and even the most up-to-date software is available amazingly quickly. Microsoft Windows XP, for instance, had been available in Panthip some weeks prior even to it's official launch in the USA, let alone in Thailand.
As well as software, pirated versions of all of the top Hollywood movies are also available on DVD or VCD, as are compilation MP3 CD's with around 12 albums on each (right). Each CD/VCD/CDROM costs only around 100-150B, as the intense competition helps to keep the prices low. The DVDs cost around 300B or so, and may or may not have had the regional coding removed.

The Thai government, under pressure from the USA, has periodic crackdowns on Panthip Plaza, but they never seem to last very long. The only lasting effect of the crackdowns seems to be that all the pirated material is no longer kept with the vendor, but is instead in a building down the street and is retrieved when someone makes a purchase.
With a bit of searching, it is possible to also find software originals on sale but prices are no bargain compared to the USA/Europe.

Panthip Plaza is very popular and, particularly on weekends, it can get very crowded. There are few other malls throughout Bangkok with a similar, but smaller, range of products on sale:
Hollywood IT, which is located only 100m or so away from Panthip and is very close to the Ratchathewi skytrain station.


Seri Center, near Seacon Square.

IT Mall, in the Fortune Tower on the intersection of Ratchadapiskek road and Asok-Din Daeng road, is another option.

Ordinary buses 2 and 11 and air-con buses 5, 11 and 12 all pass outside of Panthip Plaza, or any taxi driver will know it (it's pronounced as pan-tip). You may also find Panthip written in English as 'Pantip' (including on the building itself), but 'Panthip' is the more common elsewhere and, according to the official way of romanising Thai, the correct spelling.


Posted by,
Same Old
* Note: Doesn't this sound very familiar to somewhere near home???

CBST Bulletin: How to bargain

Bargaining when shopping is a way of life in many parts of Asia, and Thailand is no exception to this. Though it is gradually becoming less common, it is still something that any visitor will have to get to grips with if you want to get reasonable prices for most things you buy.

In some places prices are fixed (e.g. department stores, supermarkets, generally anywhere there is a price tag) while in a lot of other situations bargaining is expected and necessary to get a good price. Even in department stores and other fixed price situations discounts can be negotiated if you are buying high ticket items (e.g expensive jewelry) or a lot of one thing (you might be able to get 10 CD's for the price of 8 or 9, for instance).

You're in the strongest position if you know what the going rate for an item is, but figure on knocking somewhere between 10% - 40% off the starting price. Except in the most touristed areas (Patpong night market, for example) it is pretty rare that the first price quoted is several hundred percent more than the going rate. The more expensive items can generally be bargained down more. You will help your chances at getting a good price by being patient, friendly, smiling a lot and not raising your voice. Treat it as a kind of game to get the most out of it - getting angry or aggressive will never help to bring the price down. Note that if you offer a price which the vendor accepts, you are then expected and obliged to buy the item. Not doing so is regarded as breaking a promise and will certainly not endear you to the vendor, to put it mildly.

Speaking Thai can also help, as if you look and act like a free spending tourist it may be impossible to get a significant discount (many vendors will give cheaper rah kah poot tai dai 'Thai speaker prices'). Though the asking price for a foreigner is likely to be higher than it would be for a Thai (sometimes considerably so), it's not really two-tier pricing - if you're good at bargaining it's definitely possible to only pay local prices. A good idea to try and gauge the going rate is to compare prices to various other vendors, and see what kind of price the item you want goes for in fixed price stores if possible.

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CBST Bulletin: Shopping in Bangkok

The various main areas for shopping centers are described in detail below:

Rama I road, Ploenchit road, Ratchadamri road, Siam Square area

This area, east from the top of Sukhumvit road, is a modern and fashionable shopping district with several large shopping centers. This includes the 8 storey World Trade Center, which houses the Zen and Isetan department stores, Central Chidlom department store, a branch of Bangkok largest chain of department stores, Tokyu department store, Sogo, Narayana Phand store for Thai handicrafts, and the expensive and very upmarket Gaysorn Plaza, Peninsula Plaza, Promenda Decor and Amarin Plaza.Siam Square is a large modern shopping area, consisting of interlocked sois, and is not really a square at all. It has a collection of cheap to mid-price fashionable clothes shops, a lot of which cater to teenagers. Also around here are book shops, internet cafes, fast food restaurants etc...Not far from here - next to the Tokyu department store - is the massive and very popular MBK (standing for mah boon krong) shopping center. This has a huge range of goods and many varied, inexpensive shops and facilities (including restaurants, cinemas, games arcade and a bowling alley). Nearby shopping centers include Siam Center, also with fairly inexpensive clothes shops, and Siam Discovery, which has more upmarket clothes shops, restaurants and various other shops, including a branch of Asia Books.


Silom road, Surawong road, Rama IV road

This is Bangkok's main business and commercial district, but it's really only an average shopping area. Patpong night market is popular with tourists but is crowded and overpriced - you have to bargain very hard here to get a good deal. The larger hotels, such as the Dusit Thani, Narai and the Montien, have shopping arcades, but these are expensive for what they offer. Also in this area there is the Silom Complex department store, a branch of Central next door to it, another branch of Central not far away, Robinson’s Department Store, the Charn Issara tower, the upscale Thaniya Plaza shopping center and many very good silk, antique, and clothes shops.Silom Village, near soi 24, is a complex of small shops selling antiques and traditional handicrafts. Prices aren't as expensive as in River City (see below) but are still expensive when compared to, say, Chatuchak market.


Charoen Krung road (New Road), Si Phraya road, Mahesak road, western end of Silom road

On Si Phraya road, near the Royal Orchid Sheraton hotel, is the 4 storey River City Shopping complex. This is home to a large number of prestigious art and antiques shops and prices are, not surprisingly, very high. It has several good restaurants which are reasonably priced though, and give impressive views over the Chao Phraya river. Oriental Plaza, part of thee Oriental Hotel, is another very upmarket shopping arcade and the shops here mostly sell art, antiques, handicrafts and clothes. Also around here is a street market, selling fake and cheap clothes, cheap handicrafts etc...It's pretty similar to the stalls on Sukhumvit road.There are many bronzeware shops along Charoen Krung road (New Road) and the western end of Silom road. Quality is generally high, as are the prices - many shops here also have stalls at Chatuchak weekend market, and it is much cheaper to buy there.


Sukhumvit Road Area

Though the western end of Sukhumvit road (between soi 1 and 33) has a lot of foreigners, both tourists and residents, it is not an especially great place for shopping. There are quite a few tourist shops (cheap tailors, camera shops etc...) and up to around soi 11 there are street stalls selling fake clothes, handicrafts and other similar merchandise. On soi 5 is a popular branch of the Foodland supemarkets, a branch of the Robinson’s Department Store chain is attached to the Delta Grand Pacific hotel (between soi 17 and 19), and Times Square shopping plaza is just opposite it across the street. There is also the Ploenchit center, near soi 2, and the Ambassador and Landmark hotels shopping arcades, but none are particulary inspiring compared to elsewhere in the city. The new and very upmarket Emporium shopping center (right) on soi 24 has many quality designer labels, but it's not a cheap place to shop by any means. Further along Sukhumvit road, in the Phrakhanong district around soi 71, is a better shopping area but it's not much visited by tourists. There are a few shopping centers and a market, and prices are cheap. The Bangna branch of the Central department stores is located all the way down near soi 103.


Chinatown (Yaowarat road / Charoen Krung road area)

Chinatown is best visited for it's huge number of gold and jewelry shops, identifable by the gold and red that they all seem to be adorned with. Other than this, the best reason to visit is to wander round some of the markets here, such as the one on Sampeng lane, Pahurat cloth market, Nakhon Kasem/Thieves market etc...There's a branch of Central on Pahurat road, just south of Charoen Krung road.


Ratchadaphisek Road

This is quite a large commercial district, with many shops including branches of Robinsons department store, Tokyu, Jusco, Yaohan and others. It also has the showroom of the Department of Export Promotion for business interested in exporting Thai products.


Seacon Square

At 500 000 sq km, the Seacon Square shopping center claims to be the biggest in Asia and the fifth biggest anywhere in the world. There are hundreds of shops and just about every type of good is available here including clothes, furniture, stereos and TV's, computers, cars, jewelry, food etc...Also on the premises are 14 THX cinemas, a bowling alley, ice skating rink, many restaurants, a huge football-field-sized branch of DK Books with close to 1 million books (not that many English language though), a special 'simulator' virtual reality cinema, mini-golf course, Lotus Supercenter (a supermarket), Robinson's department store, "Yoyo Land" a massive indoor theme park with rollercoasters, ferris wheel, boat rides, flumes and many more. Nearby is the Seri Center, a good place for buying anything computer related.The biggest disadvantage with this area for most people is it's remote location, way out on Srinakharin road. It will take at least a couple of hours to get here from, say, Ko Rattanakosin, though less from Sukhumvit. It's not even shown on most maps of Bangkok as it's too far out the way, located a long way south-east of Sukhumvit road. Truth be told, there's not that really that much reason to make the long journey as the malls around Siam Square and Silom sell pretty much the same things and, for most people, are much more convenient.


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CBST Bulletin: Bangkok Markets

Bangkok doesn't lack for markets, and they are generally the cheapest places to shop. This doesn't necessarily reflect on the quality of the goods sold either, and some excellent bargains are for the taking in Bangkok if you know where to look. Chatuchak Market is the largest and probably the best of the lot, but there are many more.

Patpong night market is very popular with tourists, but there's no real good reason why. It's got the same combination of souvenirs, fake brand name items and cheap clothes as in any tourist area in the city, but prices are way over the going rate. Bargaining very hard is essential to get a good deal and the touts for the go-go bars that Patpong is most famous for are persistent, annoying and can be aggressive. Patpong is between Silom and Surawong roads, and any taxi driver will know it.

The 24 hour Pratunam market is situated by the intersection of Ratchaprarop and Phetburi (Phetchaburi) roads, very near to the Amari Watergate hotel. This is notable as perhaps the best place in Bangkok to buy cheap clothes, fabrics and textiles - wholesalers and exporters buy here, as well as individual consumers. The market is not on the main road, look for the entrances that lead to it behind the shops. The Bai Yoke market in the same area sells the same sort of thing. As well as the market, there are many clothes and textile shops in this area. A little down Phetburi road is the Nai Loet (also called Nai Lert) market, a kind of scaled down Chatuchak. If you've already been to Chatuchak there's little point in coming here as the goods on offer are similar, but it's worth a visit if you can't make it up to Chatuchak market proper. Ordinary buses 2, 11, 23, 38, 58, 60, 62, 72, 93 113, 139, 140 and air-con bus 12 all stop near all these markets.

The large Banglamphu market extends over Phra Sumen road, Chakrapong road and others nearby. Despite it's proximity to touristy Khao San road, this is still mainly a market frequented by locals to buy clothes, household accessories etc...There's a separate market on Khao San road itself, which sells anything the foreign backpacker could need including backpacks, stereos, pirate CD's, books, clothes, traveling accessories etc...Ordinary buses 2, 15, 39, 44, 47, 59, 68, 79 and air-con 3, 9, 11, 39 and 44 all stop on Ratchadamnoen Klang road, just a few minutes walk from either of these markets. Alternatively, get a taxi to dta-laht bahng-lam-phu (Banglamphu Market) or tanon kao sahn (Khao San road). Not far away is Bo-Be market, located where Khlong Saen Saep meets Krung Kasem road, a wholesale clothes and textiles market with cheap prices. There are a couple of amulet markets nearby also at Wat Ratchanada (in Banglamphu) and Wat Mahathat (in Ko Rattanakosin).

Across the river from Banglamphu is the Pin Klao - Nakhon Chaisi road area, which has a general market in the area close to the Southern bus terminal ('Sai Tai'). South of here in Thonburi, close to the King Taksin statue roundabout, is another large general market. Tourists are pretty rare in either of these areas.

Pak Khlong market is a very large and busy wholesale market for fresh flowers and vegetables. Many flower vendors throughout the city buy their stock here at night and sell it on the following morning. It's best to go between 2.00am and 4.00am when boats on the Chao Phraya River and trucks from nearby provinces arrive with large quantities of flowers, vegetables, spices, and fruits. These all are piled high inside the market and along nearby streets, making the market very photogenic, though the smell given off by some off the produce can be quite overpowering.

The market takes place where Khlong Lawt meets the Chao Phraya river, next to the Memorial Bridge on the northeastern edge of Chinatown. To get here, either walk south on Maharat road from Wat Pho, take a river taxi to Tha Saphan Phut or ask a taxi to go to bpahk klong dta-laht (Pak Khlong Market) or sa-pahn put (Memorial Bridge). The wholesale market is mainly near the river, the cheap normal market in small streets nearby. Ordinary buses 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 21, 37, 42 and 82 all pass nearby. The market is over by about 10.00am. Very close to here is the Memorial Bridge night market, a large all-purpose market night market with very cheap prices if you bargain.


1) Chatuchak Market

Though there are many markets throughout Bangkok, Chatuchak Weekend Market is still pretty much the undisputed king of them all. The scale of it is pretty unbelievable - it covers an area of 70 rai (35 acres), contains more than 15 000 shops and stalls, has over 200 000 visitors each day, and they spend an estimated total of 30 million baht (approx US$750 000). The range of products on sale is extensive, and includes household accessories, handicrafts, religious artifacts, art, antiques, live animals (which unfortunately are frequently caged in cruel conditions), books, music, clothes, food, plants and flowers etc...

Chatuchak is a particularly good place to buy all sorts of Thai handicrafts, as there's a huge range, the quality is high and the intense competition keeps the prices low. Be careful when buying antiques, the large majority on offer are fake and telling the difference between the genuine and the copies can be extremely difficult. Genuine antiques require a permit to be taken out of the country, but you will also need a permit if a fake is good enough to fool the inspecting customs officer.

Bargaining is expected, if not mandatory, at Chatuchak and the prices are generally substantially cheaper than the shopping centers and street stalls on Silom and Sukhumvit. Many shops in the more centrals areas of the city also have a branch here, selling the same goods for much lower prices.

The published opening hours for the market are from 9.00am to 6.00pm on Saturday and Sunday, though many of the stalls actually open sometime between 9.00am and 10.00am and close around sunset. Chatchak is also open on Friday as a market for wholesalers, but there is no problem doing normal shopping on this day either (same opening times). The Garden Plants section is also open on Wednesdays and Thursday from 7.00am to 6.00pm. Watch out for pickpockets, as even though they're not a particularly big problem the crowded conditions make it easy for them to operate successfully.

Chatuchak has in theory been segregated into areas depending on the types of goods sold, and there are maps available for the market which detail the various sections. You're as well to just forget them and just wander wherever takes your fancy, as it is an extremely disorientating place of many narrow alleys and trying to follow a map around can prove very frustrating.
Chatuchak always gets very hot and humid during the day, and it's far from the most comfortable shopping experience but for most people the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. Going early in the day when it is a bit cooler is recommended.

The best way to get here is on the Skytrain, Mo Chit station is only about five minutes walk away from the market. Finding your way from the station is easy - just follow the large crowd of people that will also be heading to/from there (right). Alternatively, many buses go past here: Ordinary buses 3, 8, 26, 27, 28, 34, 38, 39, 44, 52, 59, 74, 77, 96, 97, 104, 108, 112, 134, 136, 138, 145 and air-con buses 2, 3, 9, 10, 12, 13, 29, 38, 39, 44, 136 and 138. To get a taxi ask for suan jatujak (Chatuchak park, where the market is held), or print out the instructions below and give them to the driver.

Other Markets

Rivaling Pak Khlong as one of the best places to buy flowers in Bangkok is Thewet Market, another place with a large selection of plants, flowers and other related items. This takes place just off the intersection of Samsen road and Krung Kasem road, near Tha Thewet river pier (not far north of Banglamphu). Taking a river boat to Tha Thewet is the best way of reaching it. Another option is Bangrak market, on Charoen Krung road near the Shangri-La hotel. It's not solely a flower market though - meat, seafood, fruit and clothes are all also on sale here. Prices are reasonable for Bangkok, and very cheap for this rather exclusive neighborhood. Also on Charoen Krung road is the stamp market, which takes place next to the GPO on Sundays only.

Penang Market, in the Khlong Toey port district, sells clothes, food etc...but is most notable for the TVs, stereos and other electrical goods on sale here. Prices are very cheap, much cheaper than in department stores and shopping centers. This is due to the fact that most of the products have "fallen" off ships coming into the port, and so haven't been taxed. Check anything you plan to buy very carefully and buy 'as is' - any receipts or guarantees you may be offered are just about worthless. Khlong Toey market is north of Penang Market, at the intersection of Rama IV road and Narong road. The market is very large, but only a small bit of it can be seen by driving past it - it's size becomes apparent once you get out and look around. It's mainly a food market, though a few other things can be bought there as well. It's probably the cheapest place to shop for food in all of Bangkok, but the raw nature of the market means it's not for the squeamish. Ask a taxi to go to klong toey dta-laht or take ordinary buses 45, 46, 72, 102 or 107 which all go to this area.

Narrow Sampeng Lane (also known as Soi Wanit) in Chinatown is an interesting place to wander down, and has a colorful history of murders, drugs gang wars and prostitution. Nowadays, it's rather less dangerous as a primarily wholesale market, though you're not likely to find much that you want to buy - on sale are fabrics, textiles, preserved food, household and kitchen accessories, spices, cheap toys etc...It's obviously a good place for any sort of Chinese specialty and prices are cheap, though bargaining for everything is essential. It's worth going just for the experience - it's amazingly busy and every possible space is used in the shops there, street vendors resort to setting up shop anywhere they can. It is always crowded, and so is ideal conditions for pickpockets - take care and don't take too much money with you just in case. The Talat Kao (translating as 'Old Market') is not far away, and is a Chinese food market where all manner of strange foods are available for the brave to try. If you are after Chinese delicacies, such as Shark's Fin, this is as good a place as any to buy them. Many of the nearby restaurants sell the dishes that are on offer here if you want to try them.

Nakhon Kasem, known in English as the Thieves Market, is a second hand market for Thai and Chinese antiques (though most, if not all, are fake) and pawn shop goods, porcelain, brass, furniture, musical instruments and similar items. It's really past it's best now, and is not a particularly inspiring place to shop as many of the better deals have left for more profitable locations. The name comes from the fact that once upon a time this was where stolen goods would turn up, but it's you're unlikely to find anything illegitimate today. Bargain hard. Selling similar types of goods is the Lang Krasuang market, on Atsadang road in Banglamphu. Not all that far from here is Pahurat cloth market, in 'Little India' next to Chinatown. It's basically yet another wholesale market for textiles, and there's a wide selection of all sorts of fabrics, sarongs, textiles and clothes available. The market has mainly clothes, among them a wide selection of from all over Asia. Old Siam Plaza is north of Pahurat and has many gun shops in the area, as well as a market of mainly handicrafts.

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Monday, November 06, 2006

CBST Bulletin: Our CEO Alwaysane is coming back!!!

This is a bulletin for all members of CBST.

ATTENTION ATTENTION!

Our dearest, smartest, wildest, and DEFINITELY loudest member of CBST is coming back to Singapore for a short vacation from 16th November to 26th November, after a few long years of cold, bitter winter (to her, but to me its heavenly snow) in the country far far away, the United States of America.

During her period of stay, members of the CBST will be required to meet up with her for a meeting with regards to the upcoming CBST in 2007.

Please kindly make your available dates and times known to Chairman Butterstreets so that she can make arrangements in the CEO's busy vacation schedule to slot in the possible date and time for the meeting.

This will be all for now for today's bulletin.

Thank you for reading the CBST bulletin.


By Same Old Brand New
On Behalf of Chairman Butterstreets